We ask Hübner why Poland's governing PiS party has not thrown in the towel, despite having no path towards forming the next government. "I think they are in a deep shock and are trying to fix the internal situation in their party, and digesting what happened," she says. "But the decision of the Poles is very clear.
The opposition got the majority and it should form the government. And I trust that the president of Poland, who has so far been practically always with the ruling party, that he will understand that he cannot go against the sovereign will of a majority of Poles who want to go back to living in normality, and who want the new government as soon as possible." So if an opposition coalition does take power, what would that mean for Poland and for the EU?
Hübner responds: "You remember when President Joe Biden said 'America is back'? So Poland is back in the European Union, and in the world.
And the real Poland, democratic Poland, is also back. The idea of Polexit is gone. The links with Madame Le Pen and far right parties – that is over.